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		jinxed Community Member
 
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				 Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Coyle Blaster #28 Build diary. Pic heavy. | 
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				I thought it might be nice to have a visual diary of sorts, start to finish. Being my first kit I expect to make mistakes, learn from them, and proceed. My goal is a worldcon weathered example. Some parts I will go for screen accuracy, some I will do as I enjoy. Like all of you this firearm has been an icon in my head for the majority of my life. It is amazing to have the parts in my hands with the prospect of holding the thing in the near future.
 
 
Thanks to Rich for the kit and continued support. Thanks to the forum for the passion.
 
 
Here are the major pieces out of the box. I will update with pictures as I progress. Grips and handles will be first up.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
This is the only part I have started cleaning. I figured I would start with the inner frame to get a feel for the material. If I botch it, it's mostly hidden!
 
 
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		propsjonnyb Community Member
 
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				As your shots show it's a rough  cast ( straight out of the  mold) ,   I would always recommend building it  from the  inside out , starting  with  the  gun frame  -  that  way  you  have  something  to  affix your parts to as you  go along  - I'd  repeat the  same thing  with the  bolt assembly  as that fits inside  the  upper receiver  and ditto  the  handle .  
 
Lots of filing and sanding  is needed  to  get  all the  parts smooth , concentrate  especially on the gun frame,  barrel ,  upper reciever  and  outer handle as  they  are the  more visible parts on the  gun.
 
From your  photos , you need to  finish all the parts to at least the same finish as the inner handle - if not more so,  and especially smooth the  bolt  as you  don't want it to snag  and stick inside the receiver . 
 
 
If I could offer one piece of  advice - don't cut the  back part of the  upper receiver  until the  last possible  moment, and when  you  do  be extra careful in filing and sanding  it  down as it  exposes the  weakest  point in the  whole receiver ,  the  small piece  where the bolt handle  rests. 
 
      
 
 Eventually  you'll end up with four  main parts  , the handle , the  gun frame  and the  upper reciever  ( plus the  ammo box which  will be connected to  the  left hand shroud ,  as that's where the sight rod's LED's mounted).   Bolt the  handle on the  gun frame  and check for alignment,  then  on goes the  grips , bolt the  upper reciever to  the  barrel and gun frame  adding  the  RHS shroud.  Now bolt the  ammo box to  the  barrel  ( front Screw bolt)  bolt the  LHS shroud to  the  ejector  rod  pivot and slot  the  ammo box base  into  the  magazine , it's a friction joint,  so  don't force it  in to hard ,  as at some point  you'll want to  change the  battery .             
 
Members  ask me  "when do  you  'weather'  the  gun?", well  it all depends on  how realistic you  want your gun,  I electroplate  and  parkerize (gun blue) all the  parts  after the  final 'mirror' polish ,  then add the  'weathering  etc ,  once the  gun is built  -  if you've  followed  Rich's  photo album  you  can  paint  and 'weather'  the exposed  pewter part's with  'pewter black' which should  be sufficent  for  most .     
 
 
 
As to what  I use  - Tamiya weathering  powders  as they are only  a surface  addition  & I can always remove them  at a later date ,  if I want a 'pristine'  new  look.
 
 
 
Bondo  or  P38 filler  is  your 'best  friend'  when it comes to  fixing  anything  on the ammo box  - ditto  on  both the  shrouds  as well,   as  you'll  just sand smooth ,  prime and paint.
 
 
Now  you've finished  - polish and admire  your work  !!   Clean with a soft lint free cloth and a light  polish, every so often, will keep  you  blaster in  good condition.   Remember  if you  haven't sealed or  painted  your  gun ,  Pewter  will oxidize in the air and will go  black  eventually ,  so  you must  clean and polish regularly to keep it looking good. | 
			 
		 
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		racprops Community Member
  
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				 Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				PropsjonnyB is 95% of the time: right.
 
 
BUT I will say that I have found that the fine pewter which is mostly tin, does not blacken as it ages, I have phaser parts that are 10 to 20 years old that are still bight and shinny and still look like polished aluminum.
 
 
Old pewter that had lead would blacken, without the lead it does not.
 
 
My 2 cents.
 
 
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				Good stuff jinxed.  As you can see you'll have plenty of help here as you continue your build.   | 
			 
		 
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		propsjonnyb Community Member
 
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				| Rich is of course  quite  right ,  I keep forgetting that his alloy  has a higher tin  content , I use  a UK British Standard  alloy  which has a higher silver content for the  same reason.  But  I see so many  'white metal ' cast parts  of low quality  pewter , eventually  all pewter will oxidise  only the  material content  determines how slowly  that takes place  - my  apologies Rich  , I did not mean to imply your casts darkened with age. | 
			 
		 
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				 Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Some of my Phasers from the 80s had such pewter and I learned if I got Fine Pewter, lead free pewter then it will not blacken.
 
 
I made sure this is lead free.
 
 
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				Well, I am moving painfully slow. 
 
 
But since I am learning on the way I am trying to be methodical. Plus with all the recent discussion and pictures it's just more to work with I suppose.
 
 
Since I got my inner and outer grip frames aligned and fitted, I wanted to have a go with the grips. I am fairly pleased so far and got it pretty clear. I may do a little more polishing before final assembly.
 
 
Before:
 
 
 
 
 
After:
 
 
 
 
 
Big thanks to Mark Raats for the moolah.
 
 
 
 
 
I have been working to fit the rear bolt nice and tight to the upper receiver. It's coming along...but not yet where I want it.
 
 
 
 
 
Worked on cleaning and shaping the cocking lever.
 
 
 
 
 
Kind of where I'm at.
 
 
 
 
 
I am going to try and sand the left side of the upper receiver to even up its profile next.
 
 
Bolt is assembled. 
 
My ammo housing is awaiting sanding of the bondo. Back side was cracked so I need to figure a fix. Thinking a small metal strip with super glue.
 
Right cylinder cover is sanded and cleaned. Might do a bit of smoothing with bondo on that too.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Excellent work so far.  I think your doing great.  I was lazy and a little more flush with cash back then so I was one of the five who got the Deluxe.  
 
 
I think yours looks great so far.
 
 
Marsattacks has a real detailed thread here about his kit build that would probably be of great help.  I think that one has a lot from propsjohnnyb about his builds as well.  Plus he has built several and is always happy to help.  Although he should be busy building our VK machines       | 
			 
		 
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				 	  | jameth wrote: | 	 		  Excellent work so far.  I think your doing great.  I was lazy and a little more flush with cash back then so I was one of the five who got the Deluxe.  
 
 
I think yours looks great so far.
 
 
Marsattacks has a real detailed thread here about his kit build that would probably be of great help.  I think that one has a lot from propsjohnnyb about his builds as well.  Plus he has built several and is always happy to help.  Although he should be busy building our VK machines       | 	  
 
 
I agree.. a really great start with a lot of care and patience jinxed mate!
 
 
Thanks for sharing and I'll look forward to following your progress.
 
 
Kind regards
 
 
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				Nice build you have going! Pics like these make me want a stainless steel blaster!
 
 
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				I too am happy to see it going well. 
 
 
Looking very good so far.
 
 
Let me know if you need anything.
 
 
 
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				| Yes I agree,  make doubly sure  you check clearances and alignment  when fitting parts together , especially  when you fit the  cylinder drum as  you want that to  spin freely with no wobble, and  also  remember when you fit both shroulds, you still want the  cylinder to spin and not touch on the sides , but all in all a good build so far ,  I would suggest  some finer grit sanding is required on the upper receiver,   just to get rid of the last spots and make it a real 'mirror' shine surface, you really want the same finish as the  bolt handle  . Well done so far ! | 
			 
		 
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				How finer grit do you need to go? _________________ No! 4, 2 - 2, 4. | 
			 
		 
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				 	  | propsjonnyb wrote: | 	 		  | Yes I agree,  make doubly sure  you check clearances and alignment  when fitting parts together , especially  when you fit the  cylinder drum as  you want that to  spin freely with no wobble, and  also  remember when you fit both shroulds, you still want the  cylinder to spin and not touch on the sides , but all in all a good build so far ,  I would suggest  some finer grit sanding is required on the upper receiver,   just to get rid of the last spots and make it a real 'mirror' shine surface, you really want the same finish as the  bolt handle  . Well done so far ! | 	  
 
 
Yea, so far my fitting of the drum has it spinning free, but I will revisit once I get the shrouds fixed.
 
 
I have not done any finish polishing yet. I only took the lever as far as I did since it will not really need any further tweaking. It's only hand polished, I have yet to take it to the buffing wheel with rouge.
 
 
The rear bolt and upper receiver are still in progress so I have not done any finish sanding yet.
 
 
I use fairly heavy grit for removing material fast. Maybe 150-200. Then when I get basic shaping done I shift to 300-400. For final shaping cleaning I use 600. It seems 800-1000 will get a pretty nice surface that will shine well with even just a hand rub with chrome or metal polish. I tested with brasso, and another generic chrome polish with good results. I imagine once I move to the buffing wheel it should mirror up fast.
 
 
I was thinking of using some of the pitting in the cast to serve as a base for some world con weathering. Plan is to rub paint into those, rub off the excess, then add some surface layers for depth.
 
 
Before all that, I plan to blue the appropriate parts.
 
 
Hopefully my plan is sound...I am stalling a bit because I'm really hesitant on the drilling. I really need to just bite the bullet so I can move forward. My fear is drilling the holes to mount the upper receiver to the barrel, then the bottom screw for the ammo holder. 
 
 
Do you guys drill all the way into the barrel? I cannot tell from the pictures, but it doesnt look like it. I assume they could be seen looking down the barrel? However, if you dont drill all the way through, how do you get the tap in far enough to cut the threads properly?
 
 
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				The grit types you've used are great although  the  finer you go  eg 1200 the  better the finish ,  and again  I would compliment you on hand polishing the parts , you do get a better finish and have greater control. 
 
I would suggest  drilling and tapping all the  holes  before  you  try to  'blue' any part and again  I would strongly suggest hand drilling and tapping ( use a cutting  compound),   use the  upper reciever offered up to the  barrel in final position, to mark the barrel drill points  then drill each side and  bottom, you may find it better  to use a bench press drill and  a vice to secure  the  barrel, but whatever you do, tap the  holes by hand  that way  you'll be able to  'feel' when the  tap bit  goes through,  clean,  file and polish all the holes before  proceeding.  I do  drill all the  way through , but  tend to drill out or file down the  screw and bolts so that  when looking down the barrel  it  looks clear & therefore real.  
 
 
Tamiya  weathering powders , particularly aged rust are good for the  pits , but  weather as a final resort    
 
 
  As I have said  many times before, some pewter alloy's do not take a true gunsmith's 'blue' or 'parkerization'  so  I would suggest using ' Pewter Black' as Rich does available from most  hobby or art stores .  Wear adequate eye protection and use gloves and an apron to protect yourself, as most chemicals are  irritants.  Degrease the  parts  well and allow  to dry , then  apply  the  Pewter Black  following the instructions that come with the  product. Be very careful when handling  the parts as you don't want to leave finger smudges even with gloves on.   You can repeat the  process , to get  a slightly darker  finish , but  you will quickly reach a point  where  it willl not darken any further  and the  chemicals  will start to deposit a residue on the surface , if that happens  polish off the  surface lightly  with  scotchbrite or a slight abrasive cloth , if you remove too much  don't worry you can re-dip , allow  the  piece to  dry and then  use  jade oil or any  gun treatment oil  to seal the  surface and allow  to dry completely  before  handling again. I prefer to use jade oil, as professional  gun smiths do,   as  it makes the surface water repellant.  Since  you are only adding a surface treatment,  do not use any abrasive polish after you  blacken the parts ever , as  you'll return the part to  the pewter polish stage and will have to repeat the process  all over again .  A rub  with a slightly  damp cloth and a polish with a lint free cloth is all that'll be needed in the  future to keep it  pristine. | 
			 
		 
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				So far it's looking good!  Don't worry, the title of this topic is not: "how fast I built my gun" ) Take your time, as you can see you have plenty of experts here to help you get the results you'll want.  Keep up the good work. | 
			 
		 
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				I know you've probably been busy with the holidays. Any progress on this? _________________ full tilt boogie baby
 
 
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