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jameth Community Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: Whiskey Bottle???? |
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Okay, after reading a lot this is what I have learned. Please correct anything
1.)The whiskey bottel is very hard to re-create???
2.)A few have been offered but they go for around $300???
( That's for an empty glass bottle that has been reproduced)
3.)Currently there is knowone offering an inexpensive Whiskey Bottle??? (Despite my building some and buying other props from prop makers around the world that are a hundred times more complicated and better than the real props and not all that expensive. Again we are talking about a glass bottle that's empty????????)
Do I have this correct???? |
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ironfist Community Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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1. more like really expensive!!! Like need 5 grand start up cost.
2. that last one on ebay was empty and cracked! with all stickers and a cap and it went for 570!
3. Yes you are correct. We can make light sabers and blaster but are stumped by glass?????????? _________________ The other Karl! |
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The Loyalizer Community Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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And there's also the fact that so far the original bottle hasn't been sourced.
But then again, there's nothing quite like pouring a nice double into a Cibi glass from that bottle. _________________
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joberg Community Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Just an FYI: to re-create an object depends on many factors:
1) Do you know how the original was built?
2) A number of plastic copies (vacu-formed) of that bottle were made for the movie; they all leaked!
3) To manufacture a real glass bottle is very expensive (just the steel mold could be around 5K, more if made outside of China).
4) Since there's a small number of bottles the price will continue to rise in the future, even for not-so-perfect bottles |
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propsjonnyb Community Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 476 Location: Helmdon, Northamptonshire UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: |
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The problem lies in the bottle shape as it has to be blown into a mold - to produce even one bottle - you need a mold and a glass mold is very expensive, around $3,000 to $5,000 to produce. So assuming you can get a mold made , you now have a choice, either a mouth blown bottle or a manufactured one.
Mouth blown means each will be very expensive and you can't produce too many, as your mold will wear out , mouth blown prices at appx $ 300 + each and about 175 to 250 from your mold assuming 10 to 20 % failures, if you are very lucky and can commission anyone to do it!
Go to a glass bottle factory and the mold cost is still the same , but you have to commit to at least 10,000 bottles before anyone will look at doing a run, so although the bottle will cost a few cents , you are still looking at a heavy financial investment up front before, you get your bottle .
Now you got to dress it - labels,caps and seals - Simple you say ! oh no its not!! artwork plus materials plus fabrication, all add to the overhead ,and push the costs up - just for a simple glass bottle !
The original probably was a commercial item , the prop dept bought a few, lashed up a bit of artwork and viola! the bottle as it appears on set, used in other films too - 'Annie' as everyone will tell you ,but I'm sure I've seen it in others over the last 25 years , certainly with that many fans looking, it is definitely out of production now!!
Could I cast a clear resin bottle - absolutely!! pay for the mold and I'll run a few off - rotocasting each , please pay for 10 kg of high grade silicon at $35 to $50 USD a kilo and a rotocasting machine at $6000 minimum - so that's $11,000 investment - just to produce a single copy bottle ! and you couldn't even put whiskey in it !! |
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andy Community Guide
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, Big difference on what kind of replica can be manufactured in your garage/basement as opposed one that has to be made in a factory. Even if you can get a factory run done, you still have to worry about the license holders stopping your run before it starts. For the record the Elfin Knights Project is still working on their version if they can get enough interest up front.
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joberg Community Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Got a quote for a solid, one piece clear plastic machined bottle (no way to pour anything from that baby ): $ 685.00 |
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jameth Community Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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andy wrote: | Yep, Big difference on what kind of replica can be manufactured in your garage/basement as opposed one that has to be made in a factory. Even if you can get a factory run done, you still have to worry about the license holders stopping your run before it starts. For the record the Elfin Knights Project is still working on their version if they can get enough interest up front.
Andy |
How much would the Elfin Knights bottle be??? |
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The Loyalizer Community Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Probably in all likelihood, not any less than the OB bottle when it was first sold, before it started to appreciate in value. Just a guess tho. _________________
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sethb6025 Community Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you would be content with a clear resin bottle, you could do a slush cast (hand-done rotocasting, essentially). You'd still tie up hundreds of dollars in making a sculpt and subsequent mold. Plus hundreds more for the resin it would take, plus your graphics. I think the bottom line is this is a tough prop. I think Paul's effort and end product are commendable. I think very few people will ever tackle this (successfully) again. _________________ Wait; I'm having one of those things! You know; a headache with pictures? |
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jameth Community Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the final cost was for a bottle from the one successful run??? |
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The Loyalizer Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Well that depends. Are you talking the final cost from the OB run, or some of the final prices off of eBay auctions for it? _________________
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kurtyboy Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Wow! I had no idea the OB bottles were such a sought after and expensive item. I feel fortunate to own two of them (not for sale!) |
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jameth Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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The Loyalizer wrote: | Well that depends. Are you talking the final cost from the OB run, or some of the final prices off of eBay auctions for it? |
I was wondering about the people who signed up for the run. I assume there was an interest list before the run.
I may be able to get a cracked one for $250. I am wondering if it's worth it???? It says there is a small crack in the "shoulder". I have no idea what the shoulde of a bottle is |
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sethb6025 Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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That would be worth it, without a doubt. That is well below what a cracked one went for on ebay. _________________ Wait; I'm having one of those things! You know; a headache with pictures? |
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andy Community Guide
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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The initial run started at $80 until half the bottles showed up smashed, then I believe they went up to $140. the highest ebay price I have seen so far was about $800, but the most recent have sold for just around $500. Who knows what they could have gone for if the economy hadn't tanked right before these were put up for sale?
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joberg Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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The O.B. run will keep interested parties ready to pay the price now and into the future (unless someone knows from which country /manufacturer that model comes from) I can see the price of that bottle going up year after year... |
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sethb6025 Community Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, unless someone would manage to make more of them they'll only appreciate. Especially considering that the few that are in existence are mostly in the hands of collectors who have no interest in parting with them. _________________ Wait; I'm having one of those things! You know; a headache with pictures? |
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The Loyalizer Community Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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sethb6025 wrote: | I agree, unless someone would manage to make more of them they'll only appreciate. Especially considering that the few that are in existence are mostly in the hands of collectors who have no interest in parting with them. |
Part with it?? and go back to drinking my scotch out of the plain boring old bottle? _________________
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sethb6025 Community Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I hear that, mine's a fixture. No way I'd part with it. _________________ Wait; I'm having one of those things! You know; a headache with pictures? |
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