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dcarty Community Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I'm definitely interested as well, a real steel Steyr part would be the icing on the cake!
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joberg Community Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
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I think it would be fun to have a list of people who are making/producing these items: Mspaw for the barrel and sight rod, Don for the but plate, Rich, etc... |
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eltee Community Member
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 437 Location: West Coast USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: |
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There are others who have a head start on an improved Steyr upper, so I've held back. One of the technical obstacles we ran into was how to get the numbers, stamps, cartouche, etc. done properly on hard metals (even aluminum which is harder than the cast uppers). I'll wait and see what develops but I always have access to the 3D scanners and CNC.
Latest thing produced on these machines was a functioning AR15 lower receiver made from a block of aluminum, so I know we can do a bolt action receiver. |
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propsjonnyb Community Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 476 Location: Helmdon, Northamptonshire UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:46 am Post subject: |
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My 'Twopennyworth', wouldn't a steel reciever add much more additional weight?? , a Sidkit and/or Coyle already weighs in at a little over 4lb already and you wouldn't want to hold that at arm's length for anything longer that two minutes - try it ! Aluminium would be a better alternative IMHO, or better yet how about a Styer Upper reciever in black metalised ABS , no wait Rich is doing that already !
I'm trying to produce a 'theatrical' firing blaster I can handle, that'll field strips like the original gun and completely looks and operates like the "Hero", so I'm trying to reduce weight not add more ! I completely agree that real metal parts add that certain something to a replica, so yes to butt-plates, outer grip, trigger guard, reciever bolt, barrel and sight rod,triggers, switches and hammer !! And YES I do know the Bulldog was a .44cal, to produce my conversion kit I had to settle on what was commercially available and no-one in the world makes a .44 cal PFC replica, so I had to compromise on a .38 PFC gun, that I could 'customise' to look like a Bulldog, IMHO I think I've managed it though - others will judge ! |
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joberg Community Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 9447
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, better to hold that gun with two hands when you shoot . |
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neosporing Community Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Kent, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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one of the most impressive aspectslending credibility to it lethality is (imho) the weight. my vote is for steel.
It's not like we will be holding a suspect at gunpoint waiting for back-up to arrive with this replica. |
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propsjonnyb Community Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 476 Location: Helmdon, Northamptonshire UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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The point I was trying to make is that the 'hero' gun is actually lighter that both the Sidkit and the Coyle although Rich just has the edge ( in weight terms ) as his is closer to the original than the Sidkit which is the heaviest replica gun I have ever handled in terms of a BR blaster , I agree a replica should weight and feel like a real gun , but lets get serious , if you want to handle it and put it in a holster , if you take the mass /weight and replicate it completely in steel say - you'd have a blaster that you couldn't pick up with two hands - let alone one ! a real holster and (police) heavy duty belt would be hard pressed to keep it up on a hip and you'd find it difficult to hold for more than a minute. |
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neosporing Community Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Kent, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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well i'm not into cosplay, so i can't really comment on the weight in a holster carried. If i were in to cosplay, i'd think my metal blaster would stay at home, and my rick ross or mim would be the one i would wear .. while pretending to be rick decarkd... if that is what you are talking about?
besides, even if you were going to wear it, it clips on to the belt, should be secure there... i don't think i'd be pointing it at anything for any period of time in public... just doesn't sound prudent in this day and age. |
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Bwood Community Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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"It's not like we will be holding a suspect at gunpoint waiting for back-up to arrive with this replica."
I'm kind of a wimp, but I have no trouble schlepping my Sidkit around. |
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andy Community Guide
Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 6237 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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propsjonnyb wrote: | The point I was trying to make is that the 'hero' gun is actually lighter that both the Sidkit and the Coyle although Rich just has the edge ( in weight terms ) as his is closer to the original than the Sidkit which is the heaviest replica gun I have ever handled in terms of a BR blaster , I agree a replica should weight and feel like a real gun , but lets get serious , if you want to handle it and put it in a holster , if you take the mass /weight and replicate it completely in steel say - you'd have a blaster that you couldn't pick up with two hands - let alone one ! a real holster and (police) heavy duty belt would be hard pressed to keep it up on a hip and you'd find it difficult to hold for more than a minute. |
Cool, didn't know you got to handle the "Hero" gun. I was under the impression it was pretty heavy though. The Sidkits and Coyle's pewter probably would be heavier for sure, but a steel one I would think would more likely replicate the weight of the "Hero" since that is what it was made out of, mostly any way
If a replica is made metal for metal and plastic for plastic, it should be pretty close. But even still picking up a metal replica just sells it as a "hand cannon" which is what it should feel like in my imagination anyway.
I would however suggest a plastic or resin one for Cosplay for sure. Just ask any member of the 501st.
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propsjonnyb Community Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2009 Posts: 476 Location: Helmdon, Northamptonshire UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Yes - I totally and completely agree, metal for metal , resin for resin (or ABS) will give you a blaster that approximates the 'Hero' - that's what I'm striving to achieve with my conversion kit , whilst still trying to keep the replica 'legal' and asthetically as close as possible to the 'original' the premise - you start with a Sidkit or Coyle disassembled, then bolt back on to the conversion kit , the outer grip handle and covers, the trigger guard, a machined barrel and sight rod (like Mspaw's) the ammo box , then the upper reciever and bolt
This gives you a 'operational' blaster ,in that it field strips like a real gun , handles like a real gun ,fires like a real gun - but isn't ! and still look like the original 'hero' prop !! |
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